Mobb Deep

As part of the Red Bull Music Academy World Tour in 2011, five hip-hop legends took the couch over five days, discussing five classic albums from five boroughs. At night, the artists re-created their seminal work for a special concert, bridging the gap from old to new school.

In their conversation with Ego Trip co-founder Sacha Jenkins, Mobb Deep proudly repped Queensbridge and discussed making their classic album, The Infamous, as well as the Dunn language and their lasting influence.

Hosted by Sacha Jenkins Audio Only Version Transcript:

Sacha Jenkins

So, Havoc and Prodigy. Here we are, years later. We see where hip-hop has come and gone, but I wanna start out with before hip-hop. Havoc, for instance, I first met Havoc as a graffiti writer.

Havoc

[laughs] Yeah.

Sacha Jenkins

We were in Queens, and the middle track where they park the train is called the layup. When trains are out of service, that’s where they would park them. And the first time I met Havoc was with a guy from Queensbridge who wrote DMC, who was a friend of mine, who was in my crew. And he was like, “Yo, my little man is a real ill artist. You know, he has the fever, he wants to hit these trains.” And so, the thing about hitting the trains was you didn’t want to go from the platform. So you’d have these beams on the side that hold up the... Where the trains are elevated. I just saw this little dude climb up the beam like it was nothing. So, I knew from a very young age that he was artistically inclined. And then I also know that the gentlemen to his right, they both went to art and design high school.

[applause]

So, a lot of recording artists are also fine artists. And because their minds are wired differently, fine art is a way to express themselves. So, I wanted to ask you guys about, you know, your interest in art or drawing, and how you guys wound up at a specialized high school for art.

Havoc

Well, I started art, like, from a young age. Since I was like maybe three or four. You know, I drew a picture of my mother when she was pregnant, when I was like three. And it just started from there. My father was an artist, and I always liked to draw. So naturally, choosing a high school, you know, Art and Design was one of the best places for me to hone in on my artistic skills and the rest was history after that. In 1988, that’s when I went to Art and Design, and met P.

Sacha Jenkins

How about you, P, in terms of drawing, or how that’s just another manifestation of your creativity?

Prodigy

Yeah, I mean, I really went to Art and Design ’cause a lot of my friends in the neighbourhood were going there, so I just wanted to be with my friends. I really wasn’t into art that much. I got into it by going to that school and being around everybody like Hav and certain people that I met that was really into art. They got me more into it than I was. But Hav is like incredible with it.

Havoc

I’m all right.

[laughter]

Prodigy

Nah, when we was in the crib one day, he drew my face perfectly with a pen, just making dots. Like, no mistakes, with a pen. He’s ill with it. But I just really went to be there when my friends was there. And I ended up, me and Hav, and it just ended up being something else.

Sacha Jenkins

So then the art went from... Maybe in the studio he’s drawing perfect pictures of you, but together, in the studio as artists you were painting different kinds of pictures. And that’s when the first record, soon after, came. Tell us about those early days.

Prodigy

Yeah, the early days was like, when we first met, started hanging out, we both had love for the music. It was a lot of traveling on the train. We would take the train every day to Coney Island, to the only studio that we could really use for a good price that we could afford, was in the projects out in Brooklyn, in Coney Island. We used to go out there and every day we used to cut out of school and take the train. It was like an hour, two hour ride, you know, work on songs, work on our demo, put together a nice demo so we could start shopping around. So a lot of those early memories, it’s just like, being on the train with some 40s, smoking weed between train cars, and on the train, stuff that you can’t even do today in New York, really.

Sacha Jenkins

And you were also interested more in the production end back then, right?

Prodigy

Yeah, you know I was just trying my hand at it back then, that was when I first started really getting into it. I think Hav really inspired me to do it because we used to go to his crib, I think it was the one in Ravenswood. And you used to have the records, with a stereo cassette deck, with record on it.

Havoc

Double cassette tape deck.

Prodigy

Yeah, and he used to do record and pause, record and pause, record and pause, and loop a beat up on cassette. That was the first time I ever seen something like that, and he was actually making beats like that. He would record songs from the radio. He would listen to radio shows late at night and catch some ill samples. And Hav’s pop was a DJ, so he had a lot of records and that was the first time I seen somebody sampling and looping like that, and it got me into wanting to try that, too.

Sacha Jenkins

Who did you say was a DJ?

Havoc

Oh, my pops.

Sacha Jenkins

I mean, your pops was an artist, a DJ; tell us about him.

Havoc

Artist, DJ. You know, we fell asleep to banging music. You know, we were like five years old and the music is just banging in the little-ass apartment. So, we was just so used to music and, you know, after Pops bounced, he left the records. So, I kept them sh--s, put some use to it.

Sacha Jenkins

So, language is a big part of what you guys do. I’m from Queens, and different boroughs have different ways to express where they come from. You guys were big proponents of the Dunn language [East Coast hip-hop slang], and, you know, English obviously is the foundation of how we speak, but you guys are architects of your own language, and that’s an important part of Mobb Deep is, because that also traveled, and had an influence, and helped to create different dialects based on what you guys created. Talk about language. I mean, I know it’s a little all over the place, but I think it’s a big part of what you guys bring to the table.

Prodigy

Yeah, that really like came from, like Queensbridge, period. Like, Queensbridge is the biggest projects in America. You know, it’s 96 buildings, and it’s just a lot going on out there, man. And there’s so many styles and slang, it was just like a breeding ground for uniqueness out there. So when I first came out there, I seen all that immediately. The way they dress different, talk different slangs, and like you say, each neighbourhood, each region got their own way of talking. Down south they’ll say something, Queens, Brooklyn, The Bronx, they got different slangs everywhere. So, Queensbridge just had a real unique slang and dress and all that. One of our friends from out there, his name’s Bumpy. You know, he had a speech impediment, and every time he used to say “Son” – you know everyone was like, “Yo! What up, son?” – he used to be, “Yo! What up, dunn?” He used to talk with a lisp, so we started all just saying it, “Yo! What up, dunn? What up, dunn?”

[laughter]

You know what I mean? And it just all came from there. That was like a part of it, and then we turned it into a whole, like, our version of pig Latin. Like, we wanted to talk to each other, and if we didn’t want somebody around us to know what we were talking about, we be like, “Yo, dunn! Dorty over there got the datty.”

[laughter]

Like, you know what I mean? So that’s where that came from, the dunn language.

Sacha Jenkins

Havoc, can you hip us to any other dunn language jewels we didn’t know about? Dainy, tell us about Dainy!

Havoc

Oh yeah, I mean, exactly; it [a brand of malt liquor] was called St. Ides, but we called it Dainy. We used everything with the dunn language, and it just turned into that sh--. It was crazy.

[applause]

Sacha Jenkins

OK, yeah, give it up for him. I mean, that’s a serious cultural McNugget right there, where that came from. Who knew? Speech impediments. Queensbridge during that era, when you guys were making that music... I mean what a lot of people don’t understand is, you know, I did an article for Vibe, I think it was about ’95, I interviewed everyone from Queensbridge and what was going on then. And a lot of guys who were down with these guys are no longer with us. And the climate and the intensity that you feel on this record, if you understand where they come from, you understand when this guy says, “There’s a war going on outside,” there literally is a level of intensity that. I can’t say it’s necessarily on par with someone who is in the Middle East or something right now, but for a lot of these young black and Latino individuals, it was a very intense time. So, talk about what you remember, sitting on the park bench; talk about some of the cats who aren’t with us anymore, who are integral to what created that album.

Havoc

I mean, it’s a lot of situations out there like, you got six blocks out there. Each block is like its own neighbourhood, and [that] just makes Mobb Deep. I mean, Queensbridge, you know what I’m saying? So, you might have dudes from two different blocks, that might used to have been friends. And now the next thing you know, they beefin’ over who can sell drugs on the hill. And next thing you know they’re just shooting at each other, killing each other like, you know? My man Draws, god bless the dead, he used to gun it out all the time. And my brother, Killer Black, rest in peace, god bless the dead, he was one of the wildest dudes out there. And he used to hang with dudes from the other block, like, the opposition block. And our block, where we was from, was where he was hanging with them. So, he used to have to come home to where the beef was at, you know what I’m saying? And niggas used to have to come to me like, “Yo, son! You know, your brother, he’s from the block,” but they knew not to touch him. So, the thing is, when you’re going through things like that, where you could just come outside, and your brother got beef with somebody, he shoot them, and the next thing you know, you gotta watch yourself, because your brother done shot somebody in the face, and you sitting in your car, nigga wetting your whole car up, what other kind of music you gonna make?

[applause]

Prodigy

Yeah.

[laughter]

Sacha Jenkins

So how many cats who were on skits, who were on the records, who were part of your crew back then, how many of them are still around? Are a lot of them still around?

Prodigy

There’s very few. We lost a lot of friends to jail, murder. A lot of people you just outgrow, you know what I mean? People go they separate ways, man, down the line. When you get older you see that certain people got hidden agendas and certain people were loyal.

Sacha Jenkins

When you look back now, looking at literally, you guys were in a war. When you look at that album, what do you think it represents in terms of where you guys were in your lives at that time?

Havoc

I mean, it represents the struggle, the hunger, the will, to wanting to make a better situation for yourself, get up out of the projects, make a better living for your family. But to make it out of there is nothing short of a miracle. Just any kind of circumstances could put you in the grave. From police, planting stuff in your car and in your pockets, putting you in jail, from the dude that’s jealous of you because you’re shining a little bit more than him. Like I said, it’s nothing short of a miracle, making it out of there. And that era right there, the album that we did, it just describes just that. If you listen to it word for word, you got a lot of rappers out there, they be rapping, and they just be lying a lot. But the sh-- that we went through is just so real, it’s just a blessing that we, us two, are still here.

[applause]

Sacha Jenkins

And to bring it full circle, I mean, this is the same cat on that album who said, no matter how much loot he gets, he’s staying in the projects forever. That’s how you felt.

Havoc

Yeah, that was metaphorically ’cause people always come to me, “Yo! I thought you wasn’t leaving the projects.”

[laughter]

You know what I’m saying? What I meant is that my heart would never leave the projects. It’s like, I always will remember where I came from, you understand what I’m saying? When people would take these words literally I’d be like, “What grade you graduated from? What school? Oh, you didn’t finished, just like me. No doubt.”

[laughter]

Sacha Jenkins

Well, your heart obviously, you guys represent that to the fullest, and this album is the epitome of that. Talk about how you guys came up with the title The Infamous Mobb Deep.

Prodigy

Well The Infamous, that came from one of our homeboys that got killed, god bless the dead. His name is Jammy, and he was from Brooklyn, from Brownsville, and he had moved to Queensbridge, and he was back and forth always. Jammy was like one of our strongest in the crew. He was a Golden Gloves boxer, and he was out there busting his hammer, too. He was a dangerous dude. We used to chill all the time. He had this tattoo on his arm that said “The Most Infamous,” I believe, right?

Havoc

Yep.

Prodigy

It said “The Most Infamous” on his arm. He gave us that name. He was like, “Yo! Y’all the infamous Mobb Deep. Y’all infamous.” We just ran with it from there.

Sacha Jenkins

And then you took it to another level with the imagery, using the sort of Queensbridge, you know, “Welcome to Queensbridge.”

Havoc

The housing authority sign, yeah. We just took that and just put it as Mobb Deep, you know what I mean? Word.

[applause]

Sacha Jenkins

Give it up for using the projects... Here’s an example of using the projects to take you to the next level.

Prodigy

It was like, using it was just like, welcome to our world. Just like it say welcome to whatever houses all over New York, for the projects. You know, the infamous Mobb Deep; in other words, welcome to our world.

Sacha Jenkins

Getting back to your dad a little bit, Havoc, your last name is Muchita.

Havoc

Yeah.

Sacha Jenkins

Is that Latino?

Havoc

No, from what my grandmother told me, it’s like Creole or something like that.

Sacha Jenkins

So your people are from New Orleans, Louisiana?

Havoc

Yeah, you could say that. [laughs]

Sacha Jenkins

The brother to your right, he has an amazing book [My Infamous Life: The Autobiography of Mobb Deep's Prodigy]. How many people have copped this book?

[applause]

I want to hear more claps. You should buy it because it’s probably…

Prodigy

Yeah, go get it. Go get it.

Sacha Jenkins

I don’t even know how to feel about it. Very few people in hip-hop have the foresight, the will or the guts to sort of put out a lot of the things that he put out there, and I think it’s really healthy. For those people who don’t know, you got a bit into your family background. Where are your people from?

Prodigy

My family is from the South. Virginia, Texas, the Carolinas, and they moved up, up top to New York, chased that fast money and that dream. My grandparents, my immediate grandparents, they were into music. My grandfather was a famous jazz musician by the name of Budd Johnson. He played the saxophone and the clarinet. He taught music, actually, at a national community college. My grandmother, she was one of the first Cotton Club dancers up in Harlem, so she was real big into dancing, and she created her own dance company called the Bernice Johnson Cultural Arts Center, which was based down in Queens. They were always into music, and I grew up around them watching them conduct their business and how they went about it in the music industry.

Sacha Jenkins

I mean, the two of you both, between your dad as a DJ and you, all your people, that obviously had some kind of impact in terms of your interest in music, would you say?

Prodigy

Yeah, it was definitely influence. Even my mother and my father, they were in doo-wop groups. My mother was part of The Crystals. She had a lot of big records, like “Da-Do-Run-Run” and records like that. So I grew up hearing all the stories from my grandmother, all her concerts and the people that she dealt with in her business. My grandfather, all his tall stories with the old-school jazz cats and all that. He knew all of them. From my pops and my moms and all that. It was definitely a big influence in my life, just music, period, and entertainment.

Sacha Jenkins

You had been coming to Queensbridge from a very young age, kind of coming from where you come from in Long Island, and so you, like Nas as well, his dad is a well-known jazz musician, and he had access to a certain understanding of cultural things. So here you are, a cat who has his background and is enlightened to certain cultural possibilities in terms of everything from dance to music, blah blah blah. What was it like, the juxtaposition of being where you are in Long Island and coming to Queensbridge and being in this kind of intense war situation? How did your family feel about it? Did they feel a way that you were putting yourself in danger?

Prodigy

My mother worked for the housing authority. She used to help people get their apartments in the projects, ever since I was like a little baby. That was her position, and she actually worked in Queensbridge in the early ‘80s, and I used to go to day camp in Queensbridge during the summer when my mom was at work. I went to the Ruach Day Camp on the hill in Queensbridge, so later on in life, when I met Hav, and I was back out there again, I seen a lot of old friends that I used to hang with in day camp and all that. The part of Long Island where I’m from is called Hempstead, and… [cheers] Yeah.

Sacha Jenkins

Give it up for Hempstead.

[applause]

Prodigy

It’s got its little bad parts, its good parts, but it’s predominantly a good neighborhood. It’s Long Island, but it’s got its rough parts out there that’s serious. When I went out to Queensbridge, it was basically like a whole ‘nother level of that. That’s what it was really. It wasn’t too much of a culture shock, but I definitely seen both sides of the track, grew up on both sides of the track.

Sacha Jenkins

Cool. So we have this album, The Infamous.

[applause]

I want to maybe play a little bit of some songs and get some of your memories, thoughts, stuff like that.

Havoc

Let’s do it.

Prodigy

Let’s do it.

Sacha Jenkins

All right, all right.

Mobb Deep – “The Start of Your Ending (41st Side)”

(music: Mobb Deep – “The Start of Your Ending (41st Side)”)

Give it up for that song.

[applause]

You know, Queensbridge is the largest housing project in America. He said with great glee, “The 41st side, get bent, run wild.” Now, for those that don’t know, Queensbridge is separated in two sections in terms of streets. These gentlemen represent the 41st side, Nasir Jones [Nas] is from the 40th side. Tell us about the differences between, are they more thorough on the 41st side?

Havoc

I mean, you know, I love the whole Queensbridge, but the 41st side was the real side. The 40th side was like the corny side. They didn’t really know how to dress really on that side, you know what I’m saying? But they just got one ace card and that was Nas, so it was all good.

Sacha Jenkins

Poet and Hot, isn’t Hot Dave from the 40th side?

Havoc

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Hot Dave’s from there, too. But we got Marley Marl, Roxanne Shante, MC Shan... We got all of them on our side, you know what I’m saying, so go figure.

Sacha Jenkins

I think everyone’s riding with the 41st side.

Havoc

There you go.

Sacha Jenkins

So Prodigy, what do you remember about this song, recording it?

Prodigy

This song right here? “Start of Your Ending,” we titled it that, first of all, because it was like, all right, it’s Mobb Deep time now. We was on our game. We was on our A game, more than we had ever been before that, so we knew that it was the start of the ending of a lot of bullsh-- in music.

Havoc

Truer D. It was, even though it’s the first song on the album, it was the last song we recorded for the album, so everybody, we had like 50 dudes in the studio. Everybody drinking, getting bent. The album was just about done, and that was like the last song, so in the middle of the song, we let everybody give their little bit of shout-outs and stuff like that.

Sacha Jenkins

At that point, were you guys feeling good? You knew you had a banger? The whole album was on fire?

Havoc

Very good. “Shook Ones” was playing crazy. It was right.

Sacha Jenkins

Do you remember when you finished recording that song, what did you guys go out and do? Drink some Dainy, go to the club? What happened?

Prodigy

Blurry memories.

Havoc

Word. I don’t even remember.

Prodigy

It was definitely a lot of 40 ouncers, man, at that time. You know what I mean? The whole floor used to be full of 40 bottles.

Havoc

OE.

Prodigy

St. Ives, OE, Ballantine Ale.

Havoc

Word.

Prodigy

Champale, all that.

Havoc

Seagram’s gin.

Sacha Jenkins

Bartles & Jaymes?

Prodigy

You got to watch, when you drink…

Havoc

[laughs] He said Bartles & Jaymes.

Prodigy

Bartles & Jaymes.

Havoc

That’s Kool-Aid, man.

Prodigy

That was way before that. That’s when you first start drinking, you get a Bartles & Jaymes.

Sacha Jenkins

I was eighth grade.

Prodigy

Yo, there used to be so many 40s all over the floor. When you put your bottle of beer down, you got to be careful you got to pick up the right one, because we used to be pissing in bottles because we ain’t feel like going to the bathroom.

Havoc

Yeah, you fu-- around, pick up the wrong one, you’d be drinking piss. Word. I never got caught out there like that, because I got to feel it, if it’s cold or if it’s hot. Word.

[laughter]

Prodigy

We used to really do that too.

Havoc

Fu-- that. [laughs]

Sacha Jenkins

You drink a 40 of piss, it will be the start of your ending right there.

Havoc

It will be, because you might drink the wrong piss.

Prodigy

Not just piss too. It’s like molded piss with cigarette buds in it.

Havoc

Nasty.

Prodigy

 All kinds of foul sh--.

Havoc

Disgusting. Yeah, man.

Sacha Jenkins

That’s definitely the start of your ending right there. All right, track search, OK. This one should be interesting right here.

Mobb Deep – The Infamous Prelude

(music: Mobb Deep – “The Infamous Prelude”)

All right, you had some things on your mind that night in the studio.

Prodigy

Yeah, I had to get some steam off my chest, you know? Word. That’s just how we felt at that time.

Sacha Jenkins

First of all, explain to the young folks here who don’t have the same kind of club experience that us older gentleman might have had, tell us about what it was like in the clubs, like the Tunnel, the Muse, how you could get cut, stabbed, shot up, knuckled down, or one or four of those options. Tell us about the intensity of being in the club back in the days.

Prodigy

Oh, man. Yeah, New York, period, man. New York was a different place back then. You know, it’s still definitely wild right now, you can get killed in New York right now. But it was very different back then, because there wasn’t a lot of cameras everywhere. It wasn’t so much, the police wasn’t on-it on-it, like how they on it right now with all this terrorist talk and all this stuff. It’s crazy, man. It was crazy back then, you know? And clubs, you know, it was just wild, it was off the hook back then. The music was different, you know what I mean, the music was wilder, so it just amped the people up even more. So, just all around, period. The environment was definitely more intense and more dangerous in those days.

Sacha Jenkins

But you were on, your music was on. You’re with your crew, you got your new whip, you got your cell phone, pager, whatever. You’re hyped. Like, talk about that experience of feeling that, being in that moment, being in the club, people knowing who Mobb Deep is, people wanting to test Mobb Deep. All of that goes with the territory. Talk about that.

Prodigy

I mean, to tell you the truth, the first one, two albums, we was taking the train to our shows. Like, we would all, there’d be like 30, 40 of us, and we would all hop the train, you know, get on the train or whatever, go to the show. After the show, hop the train, go back to the projects, so... That’s how we were moving for a little while, that’s just how we was moving. And we was just having a lot of fun. And a lot of it is just, you know, being high as hell, drunk as hell, you’re 18, 19 years old. You got a nice record playing on the radio, videos, you’re feeling yourself, you got all your people with you, it’s just a big celebration. And not to mention who we are, where we come from, the lifestyle that we living, we just bringing all that baggage along with us to the celebration.

Havoc

Yeah, but it wasn’t too many people trying to test us, though. ‘Cause when you see like 30 dudes coming up in the club, niggas just show their respect. It wasn’t too many people, really. You never heard us really getting into too many altercations like that, because you know where we come from, they know it was real. So, real recognize real, you know what I’m saying? So we ain’t had many problems like that.

Sacha Jenkins

But the other thing that was really interesting about what you were saying was, you said, “I’m a little dude;” like, there’s something very honest and real about you saying, “Listen, I’m not saying I’m a tough guy. I’m a little dude, but really, it’s about who gets who first.” I thought that was really honest.

Prodigy

I mean, that was like the reality of the situation. We were very grounded, still are, reality-based. Our head is not in the clouds. We know exactly what can happen. We know exactly what the fu-- is going on. That’s what it is.

Sacha Jenkins

So why do you think so many rappers aren’t realistic about what it is and where they come from? Why do you think there’s such a disconnect?

Havoc

’Cause a lot of people’s just in the game to make money. They’re not really real artists, you know what I’m saying? And then they come with this fake persona, and trying to be, like, the rapper, and they’re not really living it. But then, when they go somewhere and get smacked in they face by somebody, then they know that it’s really real ‘cause this ain’t a game to really play with. Music should be fun, but this is street music, you know what I’m saying, so we not going to fool ourself. So, if you rhyme about a certain thing, dudes is gonna test you. And a lot of dudes is coming out here, rhyming about, “Yo! I sold drugs on this block,” and this, that and the third, and as soon as they get stepped to, they fold.

Sacha Jenkins

Like an ironing board?

Havoc

All day long, just put that nigga on the wall real quick.

Sacha Jenkins

Like a subway map.

Havoc

All day, fold him up, he out of here.

Prodigy

Like a subway map. [laughs]

Havoc

Word. [laughs]

Sacha Jenkins

Seriously, but the other thing was, people analyzed this man’s rant for years and years because he said, “People are on some,” quote-unquote, “crazy space sh--. They’re high, we don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.” Some people caught feelings behind that. Now what I’ve read is you said, “I’m not even thinking about you like that. I was just expressing myself.” But it must have come from somewhere. You must have felt in the air, in the ether, that there was people rhyming about crazy space sh--, right?

Prodigy

I mean, there really wasn’t nothing like Mobb Deep at that time. We were like real unique the way we were bringing it, the lyrics, the lifestyle. Everything we were bringing to the table was unique, and I was just saying, making a separation and trying to explain that separation to people. “This ain’t that. We’re something else. We’re different, a whole other animal.” A few people took offense to it or whatever, but like I say, if the shoe fits… I ain’t saying nobody. I’m not talking to nobody directly. I was speaking in general.

Sacha Jenkins

You said, “Back then there was nothing like Mobb Deep.” Do you feel like in the years since that there have been people who have kind of followed in your footsteps or you feel might be in a similar, not exactly like you guys but in a similar vein?

Prodigy

Definitely, there’s been people that come. And you know, they were influenced by Mobb Deep.

Sacha Jenkins

Any names?

Prodigy

I mean, it’s obvious. Just look at the crews that came after us.

Sacha Jenkins

Look at all the crews that came after them, and then you want them to figure out who it is.

Prodigy

Anything that’s similar to our style of music that came after us, we had to influence them.

Sacha Jenkins

[addressing audience] You guys have any suggestions of, because he’s humble, can you name some groups that have come in the wake of this wonderful group?

Audience member

The Lox.

Sacha Jenkins

The Lox. Interesting.

Audience member

Clipse.

Sacha Jenkins

Clipse! Interesting.

Audience member

50 Cent.

Sacha Jenkins

50 Cent, interesting. And you guys were signed to G-Unit at one point.

Prodigy

Yeah, we were there with 50, yeah.

Audience member

CNN.

Sacha Jenkins

CNN, Capone-N-Noreaga. Yes. This is interesting. Are we reading his mind? He won’t let us know.

Prodigy

[laughs]

Sacha Jenkins

He’s smiling, though. Anyone else? CNN? Someone keeps saying… All right, CNN. Interesting, CNN. Interesting.

Havoc

Yeah, very, very.

Sacha Jenkins

Very interesting on many levels, some of which we don’t necessarily need to get into here.

Havoc

Right, right, right.

Sacha Jenkins

What do you remember about you guys were coming up, and then other groups like CNN and our dear friend Trag[edy Khadafi], that whole movement? What was it like with all that stuff coming up?

Havoc

I mean, it was flattering. They from the hood too, so you can’t knock nobody’s hustle. From day one, we wished them all the best. It’s like, they’re trying to do what we’re doing, and I always was hoping that it worked for them, and it did, in a way, with The War Report, a classic album. And they’re Queens brothers; we was fu--ing with them at that time.

Sacha Jenkins

They was fu--ing with them at that time. Give it up for fu--ing with them at that time.

[applause]

That’s definitely a classic album, and it fits into the era that you guys ushered in.

Prodigy

Right, exactly.

Sacha Jenkins

I’m glad I can ask Prodigy questions that the audience can answer for us. Thank you very much for that. Let’s keep going here. Let’s see where we can go.

Nas, Raekwon & Mobb Deep – “Eye for a Eye (Your Beef Is Mine)”

(music: Nas, Raekwon & Mobb Deep – “Eye for a Eye (Your Beef Is Mines)”)

Havoc

Eye for an eye.

Sacha Jenkins

So tell us a bit about the making of that song. A lot of legendary cats on there with you guys.

Havoc

Yeah, Nas and Raekwon.Yep.

[applause]

Sacha Jenkins

The hook is not about being friends. Can you give us the hook?

Prodigy

It was about taking somebody’s eyeball if they take your eyeball.

Sacha Jenkins

In the biblical sense.

Prodigy

Yeah.

Sacha Jenkins

So tell us about taking people’s eyeballs. No seriously, tell us about the song, how it came together, what you remember about it, being in the studio...

Havoc

Well, that was like, towards, like, the middle of the album. It was a lot of good energy going on at that time. We was label-mates with the Wu-Tang [Clan], and we clicked with Raekwon and them really good, like, we really gelled with them. And Nas is from around the way. To this day I can’t even really remember how we got all of them into the studio, because it’s hard to get dudes in the studio all at one time.

Prodigy

I remember.

Havoc

How did we do that?

Prodigy

Schott Free used to work at Loud [Records], with Matty C. They were the two A&R’s up there that signed, Schott signed, got Wu-Tang signed, and Matty signed us. Schott wanted us to meet Raekwon and them, so he took us to Staten Island one night, and we got drunk and high with Rae and Ghost[face Killa], and some other niggas out in the harbor.

Sacha Jenkins

Were you smoking some dust? That’s big out there.

Prodigy

I think they might have slipped some dust in one of our blunts or something like that, ’cause I was feeling higher than I ever felt in my life.

Havoc

Yeah, when I got home I was walking in slow motion, like this [waves arms]. They put some sh-- in my sh--.

Sacha Jenkins

So you were on some crazy space sh--.

[laughter]

Havoc

Yeah I was on some space sh-- that night. Word.

Prodigy

Yeah, and that night I remember Raekwon, he drove us back to Queensbridge, ’cause we had took the ferry out there. And on the ride back, he was like, “Yo, what’s up with that dude Nas, man? We trying to do a song with him. I want to put him on my solo album.” And I was like, “Yo, we gonna hook that up.” So then the next day we hollered at Nas, and through that conversation we ended up just all doing the song together.

Sacha Jenkins

So you had to go do the song past 40th side to talk to Nas?

Prodigy

I don’t even know how we reached out to everybody, I think Hav reached out to him.

Havoc

You know, I be fu--in’ with both sides anyway, you know what I’m saying? But, you know, I was already hanging with Nas before all of this anyway, so I guess we must have made that happen, or whatever, but, it happened.

Sacha Jenkins

So, you have the line, Prodigy: “You watch me while Jake’s tryin’ to knock me and lock me.” Bringing it back to the dunn language, explain here to our friends in the audience, who’s “Jake”?

Prodigy

Yeah, “Jake” is the police. That’s a slang term that come from Queensbridge for the police, from that TV show, Jake and the Fatman. It was a cop show, so we used to call the police “Jakes.” You know what I mean, and... Yeah, “You watch me while Jake’s tryin’ to knock me and lock me.” That means the police trying to arrest you and lock you up. And Asti Spumante [a sparkling white wine], that sh-- just sounded good but it tastes disgusting.

Sacha Jenkins

So there’s no dunn language slang for Asti Spumante?

Prodigy

Nah, it’s just some sh-- that sounded good right there.

Sacha Jenkins

But do you know how many people drank that sh-- because you said that? That’s foul, son. You got brothers drinking that nasty sh--.

Prodigy

Let me know. I said it in a rhyme and I said, “Let me try that sh--” one day. That sh--’s disgusting. Word.

Sacha Jenkins

Speaking of “Jake,” talk about the relationship between the police and cats in Queensbridge. It’s complicated.

Havoc

I mean, we all know the Ds, you know what I’m saying, the Ds knew us. We used to know the Ds by they first names.

Sacha Jenkins

 “The Ds,” as in, for those who don’t understand, the detectives.

Prodigy

Or the dicks.

Havoc

It was like a cat and mouse game. It’s like, they’ll see you, they say what’s up, they be friendly, but in the meanwhile they looking at you like, “You know I’mma get you, you know I’mma have to get you.” So, it was like that.

Sacha Jenkins

Let’s look at some lyrics from Havoc from this song and pick his brain. Let’s see. “Try to infiltrate my fort, get caught dead up in New York. My brain is packed with criminal thoughts.” Where does that come from, my friend?

Havoc

I mean, it’s just like, your fort is like your crib or your block. A lot of times, a lot of stick-up kids used to try to run through and try to rob people and stuff like that. So it’s like, if you come through here, you’re going to get hit, because my brain is packed with criminal thoughts. Straight up.

Sacha Jenkins

Can you relate to that, having a mind packed with criminal thoughts?

Havoc

Everybody got criminal thoughts. You be like, “I want to kill that nigga.” I mean, everybody goes through that.

Sacha Jenkins

This is true, but not many people have the ability to use music as a way to express those criminal thoughts, which is better than expressing it in real life.

Havoc

True indeed. Let your frustration out through the music.

Sacha Jenkins

Where do you think Mobb Deep would be, honestly, if Mobb Deep didn’t have The Infamous, which was the thing that kind of liberated you after coming off of your first album, Juvenile Hell, that according to industry standards wasn’t necessarily a hit, but it had an impact. It made people aware of you, but if you didn’t have The Infamous, where would Prodigy and Havoc be right now, if that didn’t come together?

Havoc

Me, myself, I probably would’ve finished high school and just become an architect or something like that, because that was my major, until I really started fu--in’ with rap real hard, then I kind of fell off with the school thing and just really pursued a rap career. I definitely had a direction other than rap. I wasn’t trying to fall victim to the streets like that.

[applause]

Sacha Jenkins

The other thing that I think is important, what people don’t understand, it’s like the projects doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a bad person, you’re a poor person, or you’re an uneducated person. The projects were created for affordable housing so people can actually save money and eventually, even though you said you never want to leave, you did exactly what the projects is supposed to do. You’re supposed to save your money and get out. Obviously, there are plenty of people who are like you, who want to be architects and all kinds of other things, right?

Havoc

Yeah, but for some reason, some people just get caught up in that mentality, like in the poverty mind-state, and think that they can’t have more for themselves, and then they just get stuck there. I’m not trying to knock anybody or make fun of anybody or anything, but my whole objective was, I just found myself in the circumstance. My parents moved to Queensbridge, and obviously, this wasn’t a place of permanent residency. It was a place to get your sh-- together and move on. That was the whole objective.

Sacha Jenkins

And you, Prodigy, if it wasn’t for The Infamous, how do you think you would’ve turned out? What would you have gotten into?

Prodigy

I really don’t know, man. I really don’t know. There was a time in my life when I was young, I wanted to be a dick. I wanted to be a detective, or FBI agent.

Sacha Jenkins

Really? I’ve never heard this. OK. Tell us about this? Was it from watching Jake and the Fatman as a young man?

Prodigy

No, it was just something before I got into music, I always just had that idea in my head that I wanted to be like… To me, they had power with that badge, and like just power of information. It was just intriguing to me when I was younger.

Sacha Jenkins

Obviously, there was a point when that changed. When did you realize maybe being po-po wasn’t a good look?

Prodigy

It had never really crossed my mind being po-po ain’t a good look, but just my interest just changed. My interest just changed to music. I decided to just get into something else, and the po-po thing was gone from my head.

Sacha Jenkins

Any members of the police in the audience today?

Prodigy

If they are, they not going to say.

Sacha Jenkins

OK, is that snitching?

Prodigy

They probably ain’t here.

Sacha Jenkins

They don’t want to snitch on themselves, OK. I’m sure there are plenty of police officers who like Mobb Deep because it’s incredible music.

Prodigy

It’s all good, man. We don’t got problems with police, man. Just dirty cops. We got problem with dirty cops.

Sacha Jenkins

Right. All right, we’re going to get into another banger.

Mobb Deep – “Temperature's Rising”

(music: Mobb Deep – “Temperature’s Rising”)

Give it up for “Temperature’s Rising.”

[applause]

You know, one of my favorite songs on the album. It shows a level of sensitivity that I think is important in hip-hop, in terms of creating... What they, go back to what they’ve been saying about reality and being honest, you know, and I think that is one of the reasons this album has stood the test of time. As I read it, you guys are reaching out to a cat who’s locked down.

Havoc

That cat is actually my brother.

Sacha Jenkins

OK, tell us about it.

Havoc

My brother that passed away, rest in peace, god bless the dead. That was a real situation, a real story about my brother who was on the run for a homicide. We was like kind of protecting him, helping him run and not get caught by the police and stuff like that. We was just giving him advice on the record and stuff like that. While we made the record, and while the record was out, he was actually on the run for the homicide. He eventually got caught, but we beat the case, we won trial, and he was free behind it. And that was the story behind the song.

Sacha Jenkins

But it’s interesting, like the hip-hop police, the task force, weren’t that sophisticated back then, but if they were, basically, that would’ve implicated you in some way.

Havoc

Yeah, we was kind of under the radar at that time. I guess they wasn’t like, “Oh, let’s listen to this record and find out stuff.” And not to mention, we wasn’t even saying where he was at anyway, so even if they would’ve listened to it, it wasn’t like we said he did it, or we was saying where he was at. We was like being mindful of that of what we was saying on the record.

Sacha Jenkins

How did he feel about it from what you remember?

Havoc

He didn’t get a chance to hear the record at the time while he was on the run, but he heard it eventually later on. He thought it was ill. He was like, “Oh, that’s what’s up.” Word.

Prodigy

If you listen to the words, we very careful about what we saying on there. If you listen to the words carefully, you can see that the writing was real calculated on that song.

Sacha Jenkins

But I mean, what’s running through your mind? You’re in the middle of changing your situation, recording an album. Things are on the up-and-up, and then you got to write a song about your brother, who’s on the run for murder, accused of murder? What’s running through your mind at that point?

Havoc

It’s like, “Damn! I got to spend all this money on a fu--in’ lawyer. I just made money, now I got to spend money on a lawyer?” Then, for the most part, he’s my little brother, so I don’t want to see him go to jail for the rest of his life, so I want him to run as long as he can. It’s just a fu--ed up situation. Nobody don’t want to be in [that position]. It’s your little brother, so it was real personal.

Sacha Jenkins

Where did he wind up going?

Havoc

He was all over the place. We was right under the cops’ noses. We was like in The Bronx, and then later on he was in North Carolina, but they eventually caught him through phone conversations. It was like fu-- it, whatever. I had got arrested one day, and the cops was like asking me, “Yo, where’s your brother at?” I was like, “I don’t know.” They was like, “Well, we know. We just caught him.” I was like, “Word?” They knew they had him all along, but they was just fu--in’ with me. That’s when everything just hit the fan.

Sacha Jenkins

Any other recollections? What about recording the song itself? Do you remember where you recorded it?

Havoc

Yeah, Q-Tip helped us do that song right there. He actually came up with the sample, and the drum pattern and all of that. And he was in there just kinda guiding us through. ’Cause the sample was “Temperature’s Rising,” that was the original sample, was “Temperature’s Rising.”

Sacha Jenkins

By who?

Havoc

The one now is with Patrice Rushen, but the other one, the “Temperature’s Rising” that actually had the “Temperature’s Rising” sample in it, I can’t remember at this time. But the original one said “Temperature’s rising,” actually in the sample, and that’s what made us reflect on what we was going through, because it just fit so well in what we was going through. And then, later on we did it over, and we sampled Patrice Rushen. I can’t remember the song, but it was Patrice Rushen.

Sacha Jenkins

And talk a bit more about Q-Tip’s influence, working with him at that point, overall on the record. I know he was instrumental early on in your careers. Tell us about Q-Tip’s involvement.

Prodigy

Q-Tip, we use to cut out of school and we used to look on the back of the cassettes for the address of the record labels, after we made our demo out in Coney Island. You know, we used to cut out of school and take the train and go to the different labels. One of our main labels that we wanted was Def Jam, so we used to just stand outside the door at Def Jam and just wait for like the rappers to come out, or wait for somebody to come out the door, and just be like, “Hey, excuse me. You listen to this song real quick, man, we’re a rap group.” So, a lot of people was like, “Yeah, get the fu-- outta here,” or just act like they ain’t hear us or whatever. Q-Tip actually came out the building and was the only one that stopped, and actually was like, “Alright, let me check it out.” And he put on the headphones and he listened to us, listened to our demo. He sat there and listened to a few songs, actually, and he was like, “Yo, I like you dudes.” And he’s like, “Come on, I’mma bring you into the office and introduce you to some people.” So, from that point, it was like three years later when we was working on The Infamous, maybe three, four years later. We just reached out back to him, like, “Yo, man! We got this new sound that we created. It’s real hot, we got these hot records, we about to drop this hot album. We want to bring you in as a producer, and help us out with the sound.” To make our sound that quality sh--, that quality level like he was doing for A Tribe Called Quest. We was always a fan of his and Tribe’s music. So, yeah, he came in and he blessed us, man, with a few tracks, and tweaked up some of the beats, and, you know, did the bass, drums and all that. Yeah.

Sacha Jenkins

So, when you guys went to wait outside of Def Jam, how long did you wait until someone was nice enough, like Q-Tip, to say, “OK, I’ll listen to your demo”? Were you out there for days?

Prodigy

It probably took us like two or three days of going over there and just chilling until we finally caught a break.

Sacha Jenkins

I mean, would you pack a lunch? Did you have headphones?

[laughter]

Prodigy

40 ouncers, man. 40 ouncers and butter crunch cookies. [laughter] And a dream.

Sacha Jenkins

And just the two of you, not the whole Queensbridge [crew]?

Havoc

Nah, just the two of us, that’s it. Thirsty.

Sacha Jenkins

What if you had brought all of Queensbridge? You think it would’ve happened?

Havoc

Nah, probably wouldn’t have happened, because they probably would’ve tried to bum rush the building or something.

Sacha Jenkins

Right. All right. Let’s see what other jewels. Give it up for these men.

Mobb Deep – “Up North Trip”

(music: Mobb Deep – “Up North Trip” / applause)

Now, I got a couple of questions about that song, you guys can tell me, but mainly, obviously prison is nothing to joke about. A lot of brothers wind up in prison for really unnecessary things, but I must say, that is like the happiest prison beat. [laughter] Everything else from Mobb Deep is all like dark and like, “Yo!” And it’s like, “I’m going to prison,” it’s like, kind of happy. I mean, the lyrics aren’t happy, but the beat is all bright. You know, tell us about the... You know, it’s complicated right there.

Prodigy

That beat. That beat, when Hav came with that beat, it just reminded me of a story, like telling a story.

Havoc

Right, right.

Prodigy

Something about the beat just reminded me of telling a story, so I decided to just start writing about going to jail. There was a lot of people around us that was going in and out of jail at that time, do a year, come back, six months, come back. Go back in. It was just something that everybody was going through, at that time around us. It just came out naturally like that on that beat.

Sacha Jenkins

Havoc?

Havoc

I just made the beat. I just be making beats, and I just played it for P, and then he just started rhyming about jail and sh--. I was like, fu-- it, I just followed his lead. I mean, the whole thing about music with us is to be unconventional. To rap to that beat, to try to match its tone, probably would’ve been about a mistake. We kind of just put the opposite on it, just mix two different elements together. You got this flute-y beat, with a bunch of flutes in it, and then we talking about something very real, like being incarcerated. So who does that? Mobb Deep.

[applause]

Prodigy

Another thing, part of that chorus, I’m saying, “Living the high life.” Having fun, partying. That part fits the beat. “Living the high life, making moves at night.” At the same time, you’ve got to pack your heat in this war zone. Niggas is strife. It’s just like you’re dealing with all elements on that.

Sacha Jenkins

But also it deals with, unfortunately prison is like college for a lot of us. There is an allure to it, in a strange way. So even though I’m saying, yeah, it’s real light-hearted, but that’s what makes it interesting.

Havoc

That’s true. That’s true because a lot of young brothers out there in their young teenage years, they see a lot of older dudes going to jail, and they want to emulate that. They want to get that experience so they can come home and be like, “Yeah, I just came home.” You don’t have to come home from there. And it’s just real like that.

Sacha Jenkins

Can you tell us anything about the sample itself?

Havoc

I can’t even remember where I sampled it... I don’t even know if I got it cleared, to be honest with you.

Sacha Jenkins

No snitching. No snitching.

Havoc

Yeah, but you know what, though? We did it, and it’s part of our album. If they want to come back and sue us, they going to have to sue the motherfu--ers that own the masters, because we don’t own it right now.

Sacha Jenkins

That’s real right there, all right. Give it up for these gentlemen once again.

[applause]

It’s funny, because I used to do a magazine called Ego Trip, and our first office was up the block in Queen’s Plaza, and I remember getting the advance cassette. I had a fax machine, and I’m faxing loud, trying to get money for advertising. I remember thinking, “Damn! Havoc [and Prodigy], these cats are just up the block.” I’d walk through there to go home and just feel the intensity of what was going on.

Havoc

Yeah.

Sacha Jenkins

And to be hearing that album for so many years and to have the access to these cats now to ask them random questions that I’ve always wondered, like, why is that beat so happy when people are going to prison? It’s incredible.

Prodigy

I never thought about that sh--.

Havoc

Yeah, you just put me onto some new sh--. You’re right. The beat is kind of happy, but we did it.

Sacha Jenkins

All right, let’s go. I believe this is my favorite track on the album.

Mobb Deep – “Trife Life”

(music: Mobb Deep – “Trife Life”)

Give it up for “Trife Life.”

[applause]

So much going on on that track. First of all, you guys are in Marcy Projects. Interesting, interesting. Marcy Projects is where Jay-Z is from, and you probably weren’t even aware of Jay-Z at that point?

Havoc

Not at all.

Prodigy

Nah, he wasn’t around back then, as far as in the music industry.

Sacha Jenkins

Right. That’s just like, is that a real story, some chick from Marcy calls you up?

Prodigy

No, actually, that story was just fictional. I made that up, but the whole concept of the song isn’t fictional. That really happens to people. Girls will set you up. They tell you, “Yo! Hey, come pick me up, over here, boom-boom.” They don’t really know you, and it’s just a set-up. They’ll set you up to rob you our whatever. People was doing that a lot.

Sacha Jenkins

But it’s interesting, the second verse is kind of like from the other side of it.

Havoc

Right, like a dude coming around the way and actually having something happen to him, and getting robbed for kind of taking where he’s at for granted and thinking that he could just come out here. A lot of times, a lot of chicks in the projects, they think they tough, so they’ll be like, “Oh, don’t worry about this sh--. Just come over here. These niggas is pussy.” She bringing you around a bunch of a fu--ing wolves. I don’t never listen to a girl. When she be like, “Oh, don’t fu--ing worry about it. Just come over here. These guys ain’t nothing.” It just be bullsh--, and then next thing you know, nigga getting robbed.

Sacha Jenkins

Let’s just imagine the scenario. These two gentlemen are on a park bench on 12th Street. Their whole crew is famous. They’re sipping Hennessey, right? Some dude, some pretty-boy dude is walking through. It’s Friday night and he’s got mad jewels on. Take us there, bring us to the mind state of what’s happening. You don’t know who this guy is, and he’s walking like sh-- is sweet. Explain what goes down.

Prodigy

I mean, there’s a story that really happened like that.

Havoc

Yeah.

Prodigy

One night, we were on the block, and we were all just chilling. There was a whole lot of us. We was drinking, chilling, whatever, playing dice, and this girl, I think she was from 12th Street...

Havoc

Yeah, she from the block.

Prodigy

She came through the block with some dude, and we didn’t know who this was. He was just some dude that she met, I guess she messed with from somewhere else, and they came through the block. One of our dudes was like, “Damn, shawty. Come here, come here.” She’s walking with this dude and that. So she comes over, talks to us, whatever, talks to them, and got the dude waiting over there for like 20 minutes. He’s getting pissed off. He’s like, “Yo! Yo! Come here, what you doing?” He starts saying that. Now, we’re like, “What? Yo, dawg, shut up, dawg! You’re not even from out here, dawg. Calm down!” Then it just got heated after that. It got kind of crazy.

Havoc

Yeah, crazy.

Sacha Jenkins

Then you just wanted his chain, but you put a couple of slugs in his brain.

Havoc

Not that night. Not that night, but some sh-- went down. It was just crazy. He had pulled out, and…

Sacha Jenkins

Wait, wait, you’re talking about a real story?

Havoc

Yeah, it was a real story.

Sacha Jenkins

When he says a line, “Come through truck, how you figure?”

Havoc

 “How you figure?”

Sacha Jenkins

I felt that. “Are you crazy for coming? Are you stupid?” That’s what I felt.

Havoc

Yeah, because if dudes come through with their jewelry all out like that, he got to have a gun on him or something. He must have it or he’s just stupid. I mean, we all know how the hood is, you don’t got to explain it. I mean, it’s just stupid coming through somewhere without protection. And if you’re going to be wearing like thousands of dollars of jewelry on. That’s just like dangling meat in front of wolves. You can’t do that.

Sacha Jenkins

One of the most compelling lines is when Prodigy says, “Hypnotic thug life, get that ass paralyzed.” Where does that come from?

Prodigy

That was just like a freestyle. I just said it like off the top of my head, the end of the song. What I meant by that is, that lifestyle, the thug life lifestyle, the street lifestyle that we’re living... It’s hypnotic. It pulls you in. It’s fun, it’s dangerous, it’s mysterious. It’ll pull you in and hypnotize you, and you can get your ass killed or paralyzed, or locked up.

Sacha Jenkins

Let’s talk about the track itself, do you know the sample?

Havoc

For “Survival [Of The Fittest]”?

Sacha Jenkins

Yeah.

Havoc

Nope. I don’t even remember the sample. I used to just be grabbing a bunch of jazz records sometimes, and just listen to it and just fu--ing listen to it, like...

Sacha Jenkins

 “Trife Life” we’re talking about.

Havoc

Oh, you talking about “Trife Life,” but that line, “Hypnotic thug life, get your ass paralyzed” is from “Survival,” but that’s why I was thinking that. Oh yeah, I know where we got the “Trife Life” from. That was Norman Connors, “Starship,” something like that. It was like one of those famous records. People knew it from the ‘70s or the early ‘80s or something like that. I always liked the song. It’s a real nice song, “[You Are My] Starship.” I just wanted to sample it, seeing how I could turn it into a hip-hop track.

Sacha Jenkins

You made it dark, and it fit. Again.

Havoc

Yeah, I filtered the sample and turned it into a bassline, and just like kind of followed in Q-Tip’s footsteps with the drums, making the drums real tight and really clear and stuff like that.

Sacha Jenkins

But the song ends, and then it kind of fades out, and then it comes back again real strong. What was the feeling about that? Just when you thought it was over and you’re wrapped up in the emotion, it kind of sweeps you back in.

Havoc

When you have a good engineer, they kind of add they little thing into it, and the engineer that we had at the time, that’s what he did. Engineers used to be part of the production, post-production, and kind of do little things, so that’s what the engineer did, and brought it back.

Sacha Jenkins

Give it up for these gentlemen.

Mobb Deep – “Drink Away the Pain (Situations)”

(music: Mobb Deep – “Drink Away The Pain (Situations)”)

“Drink Away the Pain,” ladies and gentlemen.

[applause]

That’s a drinking song.

Havoc

Yes, it is.

Sacha Jenkins

Tell us about that.

Prodigy

That came about one night, it was late one night, me and my man I grew up with named Cary, we were in Hempstead, Long Island, in the park, drinking 40s, and I just started freestyling, and that’s how that whole verse came about. “I used to be in love with this bitch named E&J / Don’t fu-- with her anymore now I fu-- with Tanqueray.” I was just freestyling and then my man was like, “That’s hot, yo!” So I just memorized it until I got back down into the crib, and I wrote it down. It was just on the block drinking, whatever, having fun with your people. Then “Drink Away the Pain,” that’s like something everybody can relate to, like all different types of pain, whether it’s relationships or family or friends, anything, or physical pain, anything. You just want the pain to go away. Sometimes, you just want to drink away the pain. Like, you get so drunk you just forget about everything.

Sacha Jenkins

The interesting thing about it is, once again, in true Mobb Deep fashion, you brought something to life. The alcohol became like a person or someone. In one sense, you’re enamored by this person, but on the other sense, this person’s kind of bad, depending on how you handle it. And so to me, it seems like you guys were processing your own feelings about what you were going through at the time with alcohol in an interesting kind of way.

Prodigy

Yeah, it’s just how it came out, man. Like I said, I was just freestyling, drinking, having fun, and it just came out like that.

Sacha Jenkins

I mean, the subconscious mind is one incredible fort. Is that what you called it?

Prodigy

Yeah, exactly.

Havoc

Yeah, the fort. The mind is the fort.

Prodigy

I mean, plus, I’ve got sickle-cell anemia, so when I drink, I’m not really supposed to do that. Nobody’s really supposed to drink because it can affect everybody, but it especially affects my health. It can trigger my sickle-cell. The parts in there where I’m talking about: “My friends tell me she ain’t good for my health, put it back on the shelf.” That’s where that came from. And: “She only want you for one thing, that’s your wealth.” A lot of people, they’ll spend their last dollar for a beer or a bottle of liquor.

Sacha Jenkins

In terms of health, I must say you look like fitness celebrity right now.

Havoc

No doubt, yeah.

Prodigy

I’m getting there.

Sacha Jenkins

I had the pleasure of co-hosting their first show at the Best Buy Theater, which was incredible, and I was backstage for two seconds, I said hello to my man, I met Alchemist for the first time. We had a nice conversation, and then I just saw you doing pull-ups on a pipe or something. Like, “Damn! My man is Diesel, son!”

Prodigy

Yeah, I mean, there was nothing else to do in that jail but get your head together and your body together.

Sacha Jenkins

Right. And so you can see his body’s together, and in terms of getting his head together, once again, I encourage you to purchase his new book, which will explain to you how he got his mind right and where he is. Give it up once again.

[applause]

So we’re starting to wind down, so I’m going to play one more joint that a lot of people really get excited about.

Mobb Deep – “Shook Ones Pt. II”

(music: Mobb Deep – “Shook Ones Pt. II” / applause)

I just want to say, there’s a young lady there with orange, she’s got glasses on. She was texting and listening and knew every word while she was texting, saying crazy stuff, so give it up for the power of this song.

Havoc

A’ight.

Sacha Jenkins

So, Havoc, I’ll start with you. All the record-collecting sample weirdo-weirdos want to know about the sample [“Jessica” by Herbie Hancock]. I know there was an article about it, any interesting thoughts on that?

Havoc

Obviously, I sampled it from a record, whatever, but for years and years and years, I forgot where the fu-- I sampled it from. And then recently, an article came out, and somebody figured it out. It was the Herbie Hancock record, and when I heard it, I was like, “Oh, sh--! Yeah, that is the fu--ing record.” Back then, I was just sampling sh-- and going, “Yeah, come on, let’s go,” without really paying attention, until sample clearance and all that other business stuff, but it worked.

Sacha Jenkins

Did Herbie Hancock holler at you?

Havoc

Nah, but he don’t need to holler at me no time soon. No.

Sacha Jenkins

All right, give it up for not hollering at Havoc behind sample clearances.

[applause]

So, everyone’s favourite... One of my favorite lines, there’s so many on that song, but “Rock you in your face, stab your brain with your nose bone.”

Prodigy

Nose bone.

Sacha Jenkins

Is that from watching karate flicks?

Prodigy

I probably seen that in a movie or something, and I was like, “Oh, I’m going to do that to somebody one day.” [laughs]

Sacha Jenkins

But I’m saying, first you’re rocking them in the face, then you’re saying, “You’re all alone in these streets, cousin.” You’re calling him fam, and then he’s all along, rocking him in the face. I mean, there’s no love.

Prodigy

There was a lot of fights, man, going on. That was the Muse, the Tunnel, the Palladium. Those were them fight nights, man.

Sacha Jenkins

You know, bringing it back to the video, I mean, people went bananas for the Hennessey throwbacks, which you guys just made. That’s the innovation in the projects. Like, “Yo, son! We just going to get throwbacks that say Hennessey on the back. Yo!”

Prodigy

Yeah, we just got some football jerseys. It was just like out there. We had bought some jerseys, throw Henny on it with the year, ’95, for the football number, whatever. It worked.

Sacha Jenkins

Back then, if you were messing with Red Bull, you had Red Bull on the back, they would’ve laced you with some cash.

Havoc

We’d have been straight.

Sacha Jenkins

Right. Give it up for Red Bull once again. Give it up for Red Bull.

Prodigy

If you look at the video, we even spell Hennessey wrong, because I ain’t know how to spell that sh--.

[laughter]

Sacha Jenkins

I didn’t even notice. Word!

Prodigy

It’s spelled wrong on the shirts.

Havoc

Yeah, that was so they couldn’t sue us, right?

Prodigy

Nah, I actually spelled the sh-- wrong. I didn’t know how to spell that sh--.

Havoc

No, that’s because they wouldn’t sue us, right?

Prodigy

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Havoc

I’m just fu--ing with you. I’m always fu--ing with you.

Sacha Jenkins

Where’d you get those jerseys made?

Prodigy

It was from this place in Rockville Center, Long Island. It was like a football jersey place right next to the Long Island Railroad. I used to take the Long Island Railroad to Queens all the time or the city, so I used to always see that store. Something told me to just go in there and get some shirts made for the video.

Sacha Jenkins

Every time I ride over the upper deck of the 59th Street Bridge, I hear that song in my head, and I wish I have a jersey on me.

[laughter]

Prodigy

And the plastic cup. Don’t forget about the plastic cup.

Sacha Jenkins

Yeah, pouring a little out over the 59th Street Bridge, thinking about you guys. But anyway, man, these guys have been through a lot, they’ve influenced a lot of people. They’re still here. They’re music is still relevant. These guys are real people, making real art, and it’s a blessing to have them here today. It’s a blessing that they’re still making great music. It’s a blessing that they’re in good health mentally and physically, and we’re all excited about the next moves these guys are going to make. Please give it up for these two gentlemen, Mobb Deep.

[audience stands / applause]

Havoc

Thank you.

Prodigy

Thank you.

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